Podcast Episode #6: How to Deal with Waking Up on the Wrong Side of the Bed

[INTRODUCTION]

 

[00:00:01] ANNOUNCER: Welcome to She’s a Full On Monet, a digital lifestyle magazine for women. Every week, our Editor-In-Chief, Kelly Castillo, along with Megan Black and special guests, participate in a deep-dive discussion about recent articles and topics we have covered. We invite you to become part of our community, where everyone’s welcome.

 

[EPISODE]

 

[00:00:26] KC: Welcome to She’s A Full On Monet. This is Episode 5. Today, we’re going to be discussing how to handle days where you just get up on the wrong side of the bed, and you’re just having a grouchy day. I’m not today. Are you Megan? How’s your day, going?

 

[00:00:44] MB: It’s a minute-by-minute situation. Like when I wake up, usually I’m good and today I’m good. But if I get woken up by like my four-year-old or like somebody else gets out on the wrong side of bed, then it’s like sometimes even before I get out of the bed, like it’s over. It’s like, it’s a little bit depending. But today, no one messed with it. So far so good.

 

[00:01:07] KC: Yeah. I feel like when the kids are little, like you can be fine but if they wake up on the wrong side of the bed, then it very quickly puts you in that situation as well.

 

[00:01:16] MB: Or like if they wake up really early, young kids especially with the waking up on the wrong side. It’s like, “Ugh” all the time.

 

[00:01:23] KC: I usually wake up in a pretty decent mood, but there are days, there are definitely days, especially if I haven’t slept well, I’m one of those people who actually needs like eight to nine hours of sleep. If I don’t get it for whatever reason, then I definitely have a wrong side of the bed kind of day.

 

[00:01:41] MB: I don’t know if I necessarily need eight, but if I don’t get to that deep sleep, where like your body is actually like resting from it, like if it’s just a bunch of light sleep, I need a nap. I’m a napper. I can fall asleep easily too. I don’t have a problem with that, so I’ll predetermine that I’m like, “Oh! Today is a nap day.”

 

[00:02:01] KC: I am not a napper, unless I’m really sick, I can’t sleep during the day because my body is so in tuned with the sun. Like when it gets dark at night, I want to go to bed. When the sun gets up, I’ll get up. I fall asleep super easily at night. I never have a problem with that. But if I don’t sleep for whatever reason and it’s usually like either, Alex doesn’t sleep well or he’s not feeling well, or one of the dogs will wake me up in the middle of the night because they’re not feeling well. Yeah, then I’ll have a rough day the next day.

 

[00:02:30] MB: Yeah. I’m also the type that I feel like I have to nap, because it is one of the things we’ll talk about, but I also don’t have it in my schedule sometimes to go back to sleep. Where it’s like, “Oh! This was a bad start. Let me hit restart.” Like sometimes my morning doesn’t allow that, so I’m like, “Okay. I’m just going to table this for like 2:00 PM when I can get back to that sleep” because like —

 

[00:02:52] KC: Yeah. When you have kids that need to be at school at a certain time, like that’s just not an option. Or if you have to get at work at a certain, that’s just not an option. But your kids are off for summer now, right?

 

[00:03:01] MB: One of them. I’m a little bit unmotivated to doublecheck just because, what is the last day of school? I’ve had them home most of the year anyway. But Emma’s last day of school is either this week or next week. I’ll figure that out at some point. But yeah, Kenzie is home from school. They wake up early without a purpose, like they want to like wake up early and play their games or watch a show. I’m like, “Your body is just waking you up so you can like go do, like an entertainment thing.” Like, “Go to sleep.” Even [inaudible 00:03:28] home, they’re still up early.

 

[00:03:28] KC: Our grandson is that way. Like he is so hard to wake up for school, but on a school holiday or whatever, he’s just up and he —

 

[00:03:38] MB: He’s up. If its something like they wanted to wake up and do, they have to be motivated for it. So yeah, within our article, we did list like we do some cures necessarily for walking up on the wrong side of the bed. The first one, start your day with gratitude. I wanted to dive right into that, because that one is the hardest for me. I don’t know why. I tried it all. I’ve tried writing down my gratitudes. I’ve tried like finding time just to be within those moments. I feel like it’s a muscle that you have to practice a few times for it to be a part of your daily practice. But when you do it, holy moly, you’re like being in sunshines and rainbows when you’re done, because you’re no longer focusing on the things that threw your morning off, but you’re focusing on the things that you have because there’s so much that we have to be grateful for.

 

[00:04:23] KC: Yeah. We’re so privileged, all of us.

 

[00:04:24] MB: We’re all very much blessed if we will take the time to look at it. Very much starting your day of with gratitude. Whether that’s writing them down, or whether that’s just being within that moment, and thinking about them, and giving those attention that they deserve, and the time that they deserve, and really diving into like — not like, “I’m grateful for my house.” It’s like, “No. I’m grateful for and why am I grateful” and really dive in and give that thought, like the attention that it deserves. Not forever, but just for a few minutes. Practicing gratitude really helps redirect your energy to a positive direction.

 

[00:04:58] KC: Yeah. I know you and I used to use the same schedule book called the Day Designer. It had a little section where every day you wrote down three things you are grateful for. And that, I’m terrible at keeping up with stuff like that. But it kind of did remind me that I need to do that. I was just actually before we had even decided on this topic, I was reading on the sleep tracker app that I have on my phone, that works in conjunction with my mattress. I know we talked about it before. It had like a pop-up alert on my phone and it was talking about this British study that said, that people who are grateful or who take time every day to write down their gratitudes or affirmations, grateful affirmations, things like that sleep better than people who don’t.

 

That was really surprising to me because it can obviously really affect your mindset. I do try to do that every morning when I get up, regardless of what kind of day it is. I walk my dogs because they have to be walked. When I’m outside, because I’m in nature and as long as it’s not raining, and I’m like, “I’m in the rain walking my dogs [inaudible 00:06:04] be home.”

 

[Crosstalk 00:06:06]

 

Like I think about the day ahead and the things I need to do. But I also think about what I’m grateful for and I have so much to be grateful for. If you just start thinking, trying to make a list in your head, especially when you’re feeling like. “Ugh! What a horrible day. This and this and this.” If you kind of redirect your mindset to, “Okay. Let me list three things I’m grateful for.” It seems like it will roll your eyes. “Let me list three things I’m grateful for.” But once you started thinking about it, you realize, “Oh my gosh! I’m being so silly. I have so much to be thankful and grateful for.” We do need kind of reminders of that sometimes.

 

[00:06:45] MB: True. It’s also how we speak to ourselves too. It’s like, “Oh! I have to go to work today.” Sometimes it sounds silly, but sometimes saying things like out loud or in your head like, “I get to work today” can just change —

 

[00:06:57] KC: I have a job, yeah.

 

[00:06:58] MB: Yeah. Just like, ‘I get to play with my kids.” Not like, “Ugh! My kids are awake and it’s so early.” It’s like, “I get that opportunity to play with my kids. I know it’s a forever thing, blah, blah.” Like whatever you got to do to trick your mind into realizing that you’re a task ahead, you’re a day ahead or whatever is an opportunity and not like something to overcome. That’s also helpful too.

 

[00:07:19] KC: On social media, I’ve seen those like change your mindset post where it talks about, instead of complaining about you have to do the dishes, you should be grateful that you have food to eat, that otherwise, you wouldn’t have dishes.

 

[00:07:28] MB: It’s tricky.

 

[00:07:28] KC: Right.

 

[00:07:29] MB: It feels weird, but it also is so powerful, because it’s like your subconscious is getting all that energy and feeling it. It’s like you’re talking to your subconscious. You’re not like, “Oh! I get to eat food.” It’s hard to do that. You don’t have to do that for everything. But I promise, the more stuff you do it to, the happier of a person you’ll be.

 

[00:07:48] KC: Absolutely.

 

[00:07:49] MB: That energy will transfer for sure.

 

[00:07:51] KC: Yeah, absolutely. I find out that for myself, if I wake up on the wrong side of the bed or I wake up not feeling well or tired, mostly for me, it’s being tired if I didn’t sleep enough. That’s my wrong side of the bed day. If I remind myself, “Okay. You feel crummy, and you didn’t sleep well and that sucks, but this is so temporary. By tomorrow, you’ll feel back to your normal self. Don’t make your problem be other people’s problem.” Acknowledge that you don’t feel great and then let it go because it’s temporary. It’s not something —

 

[00:08:23] MB: Being self-aware, that’s the thing. As if you try and like push it away, and you’re not aware of how you’re feeling, and you don’t come to terms with that, then there’s no way to fix it. In the ending, you’re just spewing poison around everybody.

 

[00:08:35] KC: Yeah. That’s one of the things I noticed wasn’t on our list in the article. But if I was going to add something, it would be to explain to your family members, and spouse and the people that you live with, even if it’s roommate that I woke up on the wrong side of the bed today. I’m trying to change my mind. I’m trying to change my attitude. Because I know for me, if Alex wakes up and is grouchy, I immediately think it must have something to do with me, because that’s where my brain — I don’t know why I do that.

 

[00:09:03] MB: Of course. I think we all do [inaudible 00:09:05] people pleasers.

 

[00:09:06] KC: We internalize other people’s issue. Yeah. Since I do so much, like care taking of him. I think, “Oh! What did I not do?” It comes from love, and caring and you want the person you’re partnered with to be happy. If they’re not happy, you immediately think that you did something wrong. So just even telling, even if you have a small kid. You can tell your kids. “Mommy woke up grouchy today, but I’m going to get myself out of it or whatever.” They don’t think they’re in trouble or that you’re mad at them. Kids internalize everything. They’re so sensitive to stuff like that. Like if I tell Alex or my kids, “Hey! I’m just in a bad mood today.” They’ll say, “Well, what can I do? Is there something I can take off your plate?” I didn’t even ask for it and they’re offering to help. Sometimes people are really well and you’re not expecting it if you just communicate.

 

[00:09:51] MB: It takes a little bit of the pressure off of you, because you also like — you know you’re in a mad mood. Sometimes for most people, at least for me, spewing it and having that sweep into other people adds to the guilt, because it’s like, you know it’s not their fault but you can’t help what you’re going through and how you’re reacting sometimes. Then it just adds to the guilt of like how you’re feeling. Being honest and not feeling like you have to pretend like everything’s peaches and rainbows helps. But also, making sure you did a very good job, or making sure that you’re telling them that you’re actively trying to work on it, because it’s also not an excuse to just go and be grouchy to everybody all day. Like, “I had a bad day.”

 

[00:10:28] KC: I mean, if you wake up on the wrong side of the bed and you’re grouchy, that doesn’t give you the right to ruin everyone else’s day. In the morning, snapping at your kids for not getting ready fast enough, yelling to people in traffic. It can go south really fast. You definitely are responsible for your own behavior no matter how you wake up feeling. That’s important.

 

[00:10:47] MB: Moving is huge. I know we see like workout and people hear workout and they see the girl with the matching outfits in the gym with the dumbbells like going crazy. Like just simply like taking your dog for a walk in the sun. But for sure, moving your body. The more you move your body, the more those endorphins. It’s a science. The more the endorphins get in there —

 

[00:11:07] KC: I learned this from Legally Blonde. That people who work out have more endorphins and that makes them happier people.” So yeah, that is science. Reese Witherspoon said it, it’s science.

 

[00:11:19] MB: It’s true. I work out six days a week and my goodness, how I feel after my work out, it’s like — I mean, people say it’s therapy, and that’s like a big eye roll. But really though, like you feel like better. Whether that’s going and working out your bad day by hitting some stuff and getting that out of your system or just getting in a better place of moving, but those endorphins however they’re working for you really do help your mood. If you are grouchy in the morning because you’re not feeling well or you didn’t sleep and you really physically don’t feel like doing some kind of heavy workout. Even doing something like you said, being out in nature and taking a walk, or doing some kind of yoga where you’re doing a deep breathing. Anything like that can kind of help reframe your mindset, because it is internal as well as external. It really is. For me, I know if I’m out in nature, that tends to lift my mood more than anything than being in like a gym setting or something. But that’s me, everybody is —

 

[00:12:14] KC: Yeah. I also feel like if you’re working out, then the choices that you’ll make after you work out will just be in line with that healthy choice. Sometimes when we have a bad day, then we tend to choose things like resting and chilling, which is fine. But then also, that’s paired with things like bad food choices that will throw off our hormones, and like our insides even more. Then like there’s just no controlling that after that. Sometimes waking up and working out, especially in the beginning of the day will help you just make good decisions throughout your day. You want to reward your body for the hard — sometimes, I mean, for most people don’t reward like a workout with like a donut or like a big sack of pancakes. It’s normally with like a smoothie. When you’re taking care of your insides, then like your moods will be better.

 

[00:13:01] MB: I’m so in agreement with that, because I know for myself, if I’m in a bad mood, I self soothe with food. I always have. I go to my comfort foods: diet coke. That’s my breakfast sometimes when I’m having a bad day, or like the Starbucks drive thru, or whatever.

 

[00:13:16] KC: Yeah. This mindset of like I deserve this. I’m having a crappy day. I do reward myself with not-good-for-my-body things. In moderation, hey, that’s fine. Comfort foods, I’m all for it. But if I do something physical and I do workout, or I take a class or I do something like that. I am more likely to reward myself with healthy things and like take the time to make myself a great smoothie, or a healthy breakfast. That also just taking care of myself and those little ways can not cheer me up, but it can change my mindset. Just taking care of myself because we always —

 

[00:13:53] MB: I think to ask yourself, will you make that decision, that food choice if that obstacle didn’t come up this morning. It’s like sometimes, I’m like, I had a plan to be on a great track and then one bad thing happened. Then I’m like, well, that’s my excuse to Door Dash a croissant and like not eat actual food. It’s like, was I looking for a reason to make a poor choice? You can’t allow that to happen. If I decide, okay, I’m having a bad morning. I’m going to eat whatever this bad thing. Then I end up feeling worse because of it, because I probably was having a bad morning because I wasn’t already feeling good. Instead of like asking myself realistically what does my body need to feel better right now, instead of just giving in to like a comfort food, then actually feeling worse.

 

[00:14:37] KC: Right.

 

[00:14:36] MB: It’s true. It happens. I did it the other day and I felt terrible because I spent money I should have and didn’t want to on Door Dash for food. Then 30 minutes later, I was still hungry, and I was like, my nerves were everywhere. But everything — at the moment, I felt and sounded great. You know what I mean? That sometimes is fine. It just like, you got to make sure that you’re being like that mere — we all want to avoid as like, “Do you really want this?”

 

Next one, restarting your day. I love this. When I can do this, I love this. There’s sometimes —

 

[00:15:07] KC: I haven’t heard of this before?

 

[00:15:08] MB: No? Really?

 

[00:15:09] KC: No! I had never even considered doing this. Like it’s so brilliant because —

 

[00:15:15] MB: It’s brilliant and it works. There are sometimes, when I wake up or the kids will wake me up and it’s way to — I was not ready and I’m like, “If I just go to bed for ten more minutes.” Whatever, however long it takes your body to get to that like semi-deep sleep. Then you wake up. Oh my gosh! I’m a totally different person sometimes and it’s amazing. I just try it, it’s amazing.

 

[00:15:35] KC: See, once I wake up in the morning, I can’t go back to sleep. But I think, even if I laid down and was like quieted my mind and just close my eyes for a little bit and kind of like — I could do my gratitude list or I could just kind of do some breathing and just kind of shot my brain off a little bit, then start over. It’s like mentally starting over. Yeah, I think I could trick my mind into having a better frame of the day.

 

[00:16:03] MB: I will straight up fall back asleep. My body just knows it. I’m like, “No.” Everything you wake up and you just feel like wrong, and you’re like, “No, this was not how this was supposed to do this day,” so I’ll just lie back down with the lights off, PJs still on, like I hadn’t done anything. Sometimes like if your body can do. Or like, there are lot of really cool yoga moves and stretching moves you can do in your bed without having to actually physically get out of the bad. Putting on like calming music sometimes or just taking your coffee and like sipping it and enjoying it like slowly in bed. Maybe the day didn’t start bad, but it started off too like quick and rapid, you just kind of need to like slow it down a little bit. Sometimes that’s helpful too.

 

[00:16:46] KC: Yeah. When the kids were in school, I would do that sometimes. If it was a really bad morning and I woke up, we were all rushing and I didn’t feel great about how it started, I took the kids to school in my pajamas. It happened a lot. I’m not going to lie.

 

[00:17:00] MB: And they were late too.

 

[00:17:02] KC: And they were late and then — yeah.

 

[00:17:03] MB: Like eating their breakfast in the car. It’s like, yeah.

 

[00:17:06] KC: Yeah. We’re like digging for change in the cupholder for school lunched because I forgot to pack. I would come home, and make my coffee, and sit back down in the bed and just like take a breather and have my coffee in the quiet of the house with the kids gone, then start over again. Because that helped a lot. Because if I start my day feeling super rushed, behind already, flustered, then the entirety of the rest of my day will feel that way. I’ve made a point to wake up earlier than I probably would have naturally. I always wake up — I [inaudible 00:17:43] alarm, I wake up naturally. But I trained myself to wake up a little bit earlier, so I can have that quiet time. I make my cup of coffee, I sit. I’m not scrolling my phone or email first thing in the morning. I’m not listening to anything or reading anything. I’m just having my coffee and kind of centering myself. Because I’ve noticed, it makes a huge difference in house the rest of my day goes.

 

If I don’t get that, if I miss it because for whatever reason, I do try to recapture it by coming back home and doing it then and starting my day like a second time.

 

[00:18:15] MB: You are very much the energy you carry with you. If you’re carrying that rush, crazy energy, I’m sorry. Everyone from like the Starbucks lady taking your order to your children and anyone in between is going to be receiving that negative rush energy that honestly has nothing to do with anyone. We all have those mornings. We’re all victims of like — even if you don’t have kids, we’re all accidentally slept in or something happened where it throws off your morning. And if you don’t buy in five to ten minutes, you’re just like — it’s going to just continue and carry with you throughout the day.

 

You touched on one that wasn’t on our initial list that I think is really big and you hear it everywhere. I don’t listen to it all the time, but I try, is to not touch your phone or check your emails, or wake up and check social media. I feel personally like that would add to waking up on the wrong side of the bed because if you just pick up your phone and you’re looking. And if you’re wanting to have a social media feed that doesn’t fill you with positivity, that doesn’t fill you with like encouragement, that’s not inspiring you to be the best, if it’s causing you to fill insecure, comparing yourself. Like you didn’t do enough, you don’t have enough. You may not wake up with bad energy, but you will wake up and throw into the day with it often times if you are wanting to check your phone and check —

 

[00:19:33] KC: That’s why I don’t do it when I’m having my coffee, because if I start looking at my emails and I start looking at a sauna for my personal schedule for the day, I start to think, “I don’t have time to sit here with this coffee. I need to get started. I have such a busy day.”

 

[00:19:47] MB: You feel guilty —

 

[00:19:47] KC: Yeah, I’m wasting time or I got to —

 

[00:19:50] MB: I like to TikTok scroll. Like I would mindlessly look on social media but not in a way where it’s causing me to feel some sort of way. It’s just like mindless. Like if I was watching the news, but I’m not.

 

[00:20:01] KC: We do business in Dubai. We do business in Europe where there’s a significant time difference. Sometimes when I wake up in the morning, they’re 11 hours difference from us, so they’re ending their day and then I’ll start. I got to get these emails responded to before they leave for the day. In reality, it’s not the end of the world if I don’t. It’s more important to me to kind of not feel frazzled before I even have a sip of coffee or gotten a sleep out of my eyes or whatever it is.

 

[00:20:30] MB: It’s [inaudible 00:20:30] if you ignored your need and you went ahead with work. How much of you, your best you is showing to that email? You might miss some important parts. You might not read it well. You might not respond in a way that you normally would because you’re frazzled or you’re in a bad space.

 

[00:20:45] KC: Yeah. I don’t have my thoughts together. If I parcel out my working time and I know when I’m most effective, it’s mornings. The problem with working from home, or working for yourself or any of those things is that, you can never turn it off. I don’t do any kind of work in my bed. I don’t check my emails in my bed. If I’m going to do that, I get up and I go to the computer. Because that to me, that’s a sacred space. I keep it that way. First thing in the morning, that’s my time and I don’t — if I was working for a company in a regular job, I wouldn’t be expected to do that. To clock in at 6:00 AM or whatever.

 

[00:21:25] MB: That’s a good reminder, is that no one is expecting you to work at 3:30 in the morning, simple because you have the actual, physical means to do it.

 

[00:21:32] KC: Yeah, it becomes my expectations of myself, which I’m in control of. I can reformat that, I can change that. I do realize that I need routine, and I need to have some boundaries between work and personal life, which is hard, because I manage all of the finances, and investments and everything also for my husband. I’ve had to kind of not teach him, but I’ve had to communicate to him that when the first thing he says to me when he wakes in the morning is, “Did you email that person back? Did we get that distribution?” I have to say, “Honey, no.”

 

[00:22:06] MB: Good morning. How did you sleep?

 

[00:22:08] KC: And remind him that like, we don’t have to start on that foot. Like let’s — let’s have a moment where we’re just a couple, then we can switch later on into coworker mode. It’s too much first thing in the morning and it sets the whole tone of the day in a negative way.

 

[00:22:23] MB: It does. It robs you from the ability to, I’m sorry, enjoy your life a little bit. If you’re constantly worrying about like where you have to be, and what you have to do, and who’s expecting what of you, it’s like, “No, like God carved out or whoever carved out these moments for you to like sit and enjoy your coffee.” There’s no guilt to sitting there and simply enjoying your coffee and watching Looney Tunes if that’s what you’re into, because like, you earn that. Because you’re going to go the rest of your day and you’re going to kill it, and you’re going to do great. You deserve that moment. It’s like when we talk about self-care. If we wait until like the list is done, sometimes for people, the list is never done. Especially if you work from home, the list can just always be going. You have to be respectful of yourself enough to create boundaries. Sometimes those boundaries mean do not check your phone in the beginning of the day.

 

I know I’m not like great when I check certain social medias, because I just feel like I didn’t make butterfly-shaped pancakes for my kids this morning. I didn’t do enough yet, and it’s like 6:30 in the morning.

 

[00:23:23] KC: Yeah, and you’re competing with people who are on the East Coast in a different time zone and have three hours on you.

 

[00:23:28] MB: With assistance and like photographer, it’s like, why? Why am I doing that when I could just be like not checking my phone, enjoying my coffee and looking at the birds.” It’s also choice. You make your choice. I really believe that comparison is the root of unhappiness. We’ve got to try to just listen to ourselves, do what’s best for ourselves, work in our own timing, because everybody’s capabilities are different, everybody’s circumstances are different. I mean, if you can’t resist the temptation to unfollow those people and just like get rid of that altogether, that’s fine. Like that’s fine, but don’t start your day because then you’re making that conscious decision to go down that spiral of like looking at it and going like, “My day is not even half as awesome as some of these people. Why bother?”

 

The next one, I’m not at all familiar with, because I personally do not do it, but practice meditation. Man, have I tried and I think that when you can — actually, I did it once successfully for like five minutes or so and it was pretty awesome, but I can’t turn this out and shut this off. I know there are apps, I’m sure I’m not doing it right. Do you meditate?

 

[00:24:32] KC You know what, I don’t but I have always meant to start. I know I’m capable of it, I don’t have a raising mind. My mind is actually usually pretty calm. It’s something that has been always on my kind of bucket list to start doing. I just need to bite the bullet and do it. Because I know I’ll benefit from it, I mean, I’ve read so many articles about all the amazing benefits of meditation. I never thought I had time. Now, I’m at a time in my life where I probably do have time, but it’s hard to kind of learn new habits when you’re in your midlife and you are stuck in your routines. I need to make it a priority.

 

[00:25:06] MB: I don’t even know how long it’s supposed to be, but for sometimes like for me personally, it took a good couple of minutes to get to that place where my mind wasn’t subconsciously listening for kids’ noises. It took a couple of minutes to like leave myself, to allow myself to get to that place where I was like fully in it. You know what I mean? That was just because it was like — I don’t do it all the time. Some people [inaudible 00:25:30] five minutes. I mean probably five minutes at least to just like calm.

 

[00:25:35] KC: I think I can do it, but I need to start practicing it because it is a practice. They call it the practice of meditation.

 

[00:25:41] MB: Would you apply that to like if you wake up on the wrong side of the bed, the point is to meditate? Like if you were in a wrong side of the bed situation, would that be something you would practice?

 

[00:25:50] KC: Like a brain reset? I don’t know. Because honestly, for me, when I have a really busy day and my mind in the morning is kind of going toward a negative side of thinking because I’m thinking, my to-do list is so long, I’m never going to get everything done. How am I going to do this? I have appointments every 13 minutes or whatever. Oh my God! I’m so stressed out.

 

The only thing that I found that really makes me feel better is to start crossing things off my list, to feel like I’ve made a little bit of progress. When I’m feeling super overwhelmed, with the shortest, easiest task on the list, get it done, cross it out. Get it done, cross it out.

 

[00:26:26] MB: Pencil each other out. Like it cancels that negative out by like being a productive day. It might not be rainbows, but it’s productive at least.

 

[00:26:36] KC: When I’m having a bad day because I’m feeling overwhelmed or like my day is unmanageable, which is a lot of the time when I’m having a bad day, I can’t imagine taking time out to meditate and being able to be successful at that. Because my mind would be thinking of all the things that I “Should be doing” in this period of time.

 

Now, for my day, my normal average day. I have a quiet period of the day in the afternoon, usually between 2:30 and 4:30 is a pretty quiet time for me, because I haven’t started meal preparations for dinner yet, and the household staff are leaving for the day, so that house gets quieter. That would be a time of day where usually, I’ll go outside, I’ll lay in the sun for a little bit, I’ll read a little bit. I’ll do something for self-care during that period of time. I could do meditation at the time of day. I’m sure my overall health and mental well-being would really benefit from it.

 

[00:27:29] MB: You should try. You should just do it just for like — I don’t know how long you need to do it to make it a thing, but you should just see how you as a person are after doing it for a while, and see like if that does anything. Especially if it’s on your bucket list of things of wanting to try.

 

[00:27:44] KC: I know. I need to do like a 30-day meditation challenge, then report at the end of it. That actually is a good article idea. Maybe I would do that.

 

[00:27:52] MB: Honestly, I bet there’s more people out there like you and I who have it on their list of things they’d like to try and apply, but just like, they’re waiting for that right moment in their week, in their life, and their time. It’s like, if we cut the bullshit, we all have had the time, we can all find the time. It’s there, but it’s like one of those things where you’re like, when you don’t want to clean out the closet. You’re like, “I’ll wait until I have a full day.” It’s like, you’ll never going to have it if you don’t really want to do it. Also, when I hear meditation, I feel like I have to be some sort of expert.

 

[00:28:22] KC: Yeah. I’m like, “Oh! Meditation.” I’m going to have put crystals around me and I need to —

 

[00:28:27] MB: — one with everything and I’m not, so I feel like it’s good for me. I should do it. I know I should do it, but I also don’t feel like it’s for me. Like I feel like that’d be a great article.

 

[00:28:36] KC: I know I want to try it but I also kind of feel like I am not — not that I’m not spiritual enough, but like I’m not invited to the meditation party because I’m not —

 

[00:28:44] MB: I’m not invited to the table.

 

[00:28:44] KC: I don’t have the right clothes and I don’t have any crystals and I don’t have — but the writer of this article had actually recommended the app Headspace for learning how to meditate. So maybe, you know what, I think I am — if I put this on the editorial calendar as an article idea and assign it to myself, then I have to do it. I will do it.

 

[00:29:06] MB: It’s an accountability holder too. Even if you aren’t us and you’re listening to this and you’re like, “Mm,” like just make it a thing, put it on your goals and just do straight 30 days like people do like 30-day, all kind of crazy 30-day stuff.

 

[00:29:18] KC: Yeah, or do it with a friend so that you guys can check in with each other for accountability and say — text each other during the day, “Hey! Did you get your meditation time in today?”

 

[00:29:27] MB: Like drinking water. People do that too.

 

[00:29:31] KC: Doing anything with a buddy is for me, if I’m accountable to even one other person, I’m way more likely to do the thing I said I would do. Yeah, because I don’t want to let them down. If you have a friend who also wants to do it, do it together. But yeah, I’m definitely going to do this. I’m going to put this in the editorial calendar, so about a month or so from now, expect to hear all about my meditation practice.

 

[00:29:55] MB: You’re going to have so many crystals by the end of this month. Like you find your chi. I don’t think I’m saying any of this right. I’m just saying like — then I’m going to read it, or if you need a buddy, an accountability buddy. We both know that I cannot sit in a space quietly and just assume that for that designated period of time, no one is going to just need me.”

 

[00:30:17] KC: Honey, sorry. Mommy is mediating.

 

[00:30:21] MB: Yeah. Like you guys need to not fight with each other for five minutes. I’m meditating. It’s like, I work from home, yes and I have the time, and the ability and a lot of really pretty space to do it, but I also have two young kids that are also home all the time. Like I’m waiting for that “Mom” or like yelling.

 

[00:30:39] KC: Definitely not for you during summer when they’re home. That’s not going to happen.

 

[00:30:43] MB: I would just need to, like you, you know that from this time to this time is your good space. Like I would need to find a buddy to watch my chaos while I try and find peace. Like I would need to have like, “Okay, Dan. You need to watch the kids. I’m going to go meditate for a couple of minutes.” Because like assuming that it will just magically work out —

 

[00:31:02] KC: No.

 

[00:31:03] MB: Then my mind will not get to a space that it needs to be. That’s the main point that I’m trying to make. It’s like, I need to be in a place where I can allow myself to escape from — were you not listening for when one of the kids crying, you’re not distracted by those kinds of things. It’s not even just listening for mom. It’s like listening for like all the sudden two kids fighting each other thing. It’s like, I don’t have that —

 

[00:31:26] KC: Or the, “Oh my gosh! It’s way too quiet.”

 

[00:31:28] MB: I would need to straight up, wake up at like 4:00 in the morning in purpose to meditate because guarantee you, most likely, everyone will be asleep and no one will —

 

[00:31:36] KC: Then instead of meditating, you’d be falling back asleep. You’d be sitting there with your eyes closed asleep.

 

[00:31:42] MB: So yeah, I will have to find my space and time. That’s my only hurdle. That’s really the only reason I haven’t applied it honestly, is that, it’s like, “When am I going to have that time to where people are going to respect the fact that I’m trying to apply it?” I go to the gym and don’t workout at home, because if I’m working out at home, no one is going to respect the fact that I’m working out. I have to physically leave this place.

 

[00:32:03] KC: I have a wonderful woman by the name of Helena. I love her to death. She comes every other Wednesday and does massages at the house. It’s heavenly. I owe my sanity to this woman.

 

But here’s the thing, my husband will go and get his massage. He does an hour and a half; I do an hour. His hour and a half is blissful silence. He gets his massage, no one interrupts him, everything is beautiful. I go in there and my phone is ringing, the doorbell is ringing, the dog will come in like check on us, and then they get worried that I’m not breathing or something. So they’ll put their face right in my face.

 

[00:32:43] MB: You need to shove like the table in, like the corner of the — like the horse stables and don’t take your phone, don’t let anyone know that you’re there. You got to find like a location that no one knows you’re at and then go ghost protocol and don’t take anything with you so that you’re like — of course that happens to you on your time.

 

[00:33:00] KC: She comes on Wednesdays, which is one of the days that our gardener is here also. My big dog, Leo, he hates this gardener. We have several gardeners. This is one he absolutely hates, it’s his archenemy, his nemesis. My husband will forget that Wednesdays are Emilio’s days in the garden and he’ll leave the door open, and Leo tries to eat him, murder him.

 

[00:33:26] MD: I know how big Leo is.

 

[00:33:27] KC: Poor Emilio. He’s very aggressive. I keep telling Alex, I’m like, “You can’t do that. he’s going to bite in, we’re going to get sued. Emilio hates Leo. Leo hates Emilio. We have to keep them apart.

 

[00:33:39] MD: Emilio hates Leo because Leo —

 

[00:33:40] KC: Because Leo tries to eat him. Yeah. I mean, I would hate someone that’s attempting to murder me as well, so not unwarranted hate.

 

[00:33:48] MD: It’s just chaos during your nice massage time.

 

[00:33:51] KC: You know, Helena laughs with me every time. She’s like, “You can’t carve out one hour, one hour without this house falling apart around you.” I was like, “Yes, I know. Welcome to my life. Thank you for acknowledging it.”

 

[00:34:03] MD: I feel like your kids know very well because they’re kids and they’ll run you all the time. But like, I’ve known you long enough had been around you consecutively to know that this is an actual fact. Like we would have to go to like the moon, to like have an interrupted lunch date where no one — and even then, there’d be some random rocket showing up with somebody telling us that you need to be somewhere. That’s actually surprising that you have a naturally, normal naturally like calm mind, where it’s not — because just knowing your life, I would just be like —

 

[00:34:33] KC: I’m just used to it now. At this point, I’m indoctrinated in the chaos. I mean, even carving out these 45-minute to 1-hour podcast recording sessions are a huge challenge. I tried renting out office space and going there to do it. Now, when I do it, I have someone else in the house who is like my stand-in, who is available.

 

[00:34:55] MB: Your double. Your body double.

 

[00:34:56] KC: My body double to answer the door, or answer the phone, take packages, deal with any of the — Alex or the kids that is calling for me. But even that, my phone rings the whole time and text message are coming in and it is what it is.

 

[00:35:10] MB: [Inaudible 00:35:10] than I do. I give my kid my cellphone, and I try to explain to my four-year-old how important what I’m doing is, knowing that it’s not really caring. I just pray that for 40 minutes she doesn’t need anything. It’s not solid but it’s what I got.

 

[00:35:25] KC: We have a guest house, so right now I’m sitting on our guest house. I hide in there and just say, “Mckaleigh, my assistant, take the wheel” and I sit —

 

[00:35:34] MB: I’ll see you in an hour.

 

[00:35:35] KC: I’ll see you in an hour. I sit here and I hope for the best and I hope I don’t start smelling smoke or hear anything too chaotic that I can’t ignore. But so far so good. Now that I said it, I feel like I’m going to put it out there in the universe and jinx this.

 

[00:35:49] MB: Yeah. Now, I’m going to knock on some wood.

 

[00:35:51] KC: Yeah.

 

[00:35:52] MB: This one is harder for me to do than the other ones, even more than meditation, keep going with your day. Sometimes when I’m just in a bad space, yes, getting going with my day. It’s not until like you touch on, it’s not until like I really start hitting that productivity mode, where I’m like getting things knocked off. Or I feel like it almost canceled out that crappy morning.

 

[00:36:11] KC: That’s how I took that. Get going for me, I guess that could mean something different.

 

[00:36:15] MB: But sometimes, you can take that negative energy into all the things that you’re doing. It can just — I mean, I’ve seen it happen to you and I don’t mean to laugh, but it happens to you all the time where it’s like, you’re lock your keys in your car. Like sometimes like a bad day will spiral and these tiny little things will add up into this like, just all-around bad day. And it’s not because bad lock hit you hard, but it’s because the negativity that you’re feeling, you’re just seeping into all of your movements and your activity.

 

[00:36:41] KC: Yeah. Well, that’s the thing. When I start of feeling frazzled, overwhelmed, anxious about everything I have to do that day, I am more likely to make mistakes, and I’m more likely to be forgetful. I’m, “Oh my gosh! Oh my gosh! I got to go do this, got to do that.”

 

[00:36:55] MB: Yeah, baffled.

 

[00:36:55] KC: When I try to do too many things, I realized for me, I don’t do any of them well. I’m more likely to make major mistakes. I’m a to-do-list person. You’ve kind of taught me that. At the beginning of every day, I’ll make a to-do-list of like the top things I need to accomplish that day. Then a bunch of things that it would be nice if I accomplish that day. The worst days for me are back-to-back appointments, because I have so much that is normally done on each day. That if I’m unavailable to do those things, they just pile up and they get crazy.

 

I know for myself, get going for me would mean start getting things off my list, so that I feel less overwhelmed. I need to let people know that I’m feeling overwhelmed by my to-do list and see if they’re able to take anything off of it for me. Some of the things that I deal with in my everyday life are pretty significant. I can’t make a mistake on those things. I’m writing contracts, I’m reviewing contracts, I’m writing formal letters to lenders and to management companies. Those are all things that have dates in them, and checkboxes. I can’t make a mistake or there could be serious ramifications. Because I deal with a lot of financial stuff that isn’t my own, I’m extra cautious. Because if I make a mistake that cost a lot of money, it’s not necessarily me that has to pay the stupid tax. I’m costing someone else money.

 

That’s why like we loop back to like just sitting in your bed with your coffee for five minutes, I never really understood that terminology of grounding yourself until recently. But now I definitely do. I definitely know that sometimes that I need to do a course correction on my own mindset and attitude. If I’m really feeling overwhelmed and having a day, I sometimes will just put my head like down on my desk and just like take a deep breath and be like, “Okay. Seriously, let’s break whatever this is into smaller pieces, so that I can at least cross one of those small pieces off.” I need to feel like I’m doing something.

 

[00:38:52] MB: And to like allow yourself to like look at your list, or look at the thing you have to do, not including work because you have to show up for work. But if there’s like extra things you wanted to do in the day it’s just not happening, like sometimes, we just kind of need a day just to like — sometimes I’ll just allow myself to feel, like if I want to like watch a movie and be in my PJs, all day because just today was just like —

 

[00:39:14] KC: Yeah. I’m such a proponent for mental health days. I have started in the last few months actually, just started. Because I run my own businesses, I manage Alex’s businesses and I do a lot of stuff here in the house for our own personal portfolio and stuff. I was never taking like a full day off. I would work every day. So, I’ve started taking, usually it’s Sundays, what I call lazy day, and give myself permission to do that. Alex will still say, “Honey, did you do that? Honey, can you do that?” or he’ll dictate letters and things like that to me.” I’ll be like, “Okay. I’ll take this down, but I’m going to do this tomorrow, because today, I’m just having a me day.” He’s been really respectful of that, which I appreciate because I know, he’s like super like ADD brain. Everything for him is urgent, he doesn’t have a way to prioritize things in his mind.

 

[00:40:04] MB: It’s hard for him to understand that mindset, I’m sure.

 

[00:40:06] KC: Yeah. If he thinks of something, it needs to immediately get done, because that’s how his brain works. Where I can say, “I’m back burning that. I’m tabling that until tomorrow.”

 

[00:40:15] MB: If you know it’s on a high-pressure situation, it can wait and it should wait because you’re important right now.

 

[00:40:23] KC: I need to have a day or a week where I shut off.

 

[00:40:26] MB: Sometimes just waking up on the wrong side of the bed is just your body’s way of telling you you’re burnt out and you need that day. Sometimes it has nothing to do with like waking up, it’s just your body’s ways of saying like, “You cannot do the day doing the last 20 days.”

 

[00:40:38] KC: You’re burning out. Yeah. You’re burning out. You can’t sustain this pace. I’m going to physically make you shut down. When the kids would wake up and have a day like that, I could look at them and no, this was not just a typical grouchy day. This was a day where they really needed to not have a regular schedule day. They were at the end of the rope. I would always allow them to do a mental health day. Take the day off at school if they needed to do, stay home. Thankfully, again, gratitude, right? I’m grateful that I’ve always had jobs where I was able to be flexible like that and be home with them when they were home. But I would let them stay home from school, not often obviously. But once in a while when I could really tell they needed it. There are four of them too, so sometimes they really just needed alone time, which was rare to get in our house. The boys shared a room. The girls shared a room. They didn’t have a lot of personal space.

 

Sometimes I could just tell, they needed at day where they stayed in their pajamas. No, they weren’t sick, not physically, but they needed a day where it was just — they could have some alone time and they could kind of just get their head back on straight. I think it really benefited them, and it also taught them now that they’re adults in the working world, that it’s okay to have boundaries with work and personal life, and to take time when you need it.

 

[00:41:58] MB: That’s a great lesson. I never got that as a kid. The only time I get to stay home was when I was like deathly ill. It almost taught me to go like, unless you’re — it’s subconsciously kind of taught me that unless you’re deathly ill, work, work, work. Like school is like a kid’s practice for what a work day would be. There are things you have to do at school, you have to show up, you have to take tests, you have to do stuff you don’t probably want to do but you have to do it. So, it’s like, if you’re constantly having to like push through these things and I still feel like that’s okay. If you never take the time as a kid, you’ll never going to think to take a time as an adult to like notice that you’re not well, that’s something is off, that something is —

 

[00:42:39] KC: Yeah, and we have that culture in this country especially about working ourselves basically to death and we glorify that hustle culture and that toxic work schedule, where you owe your employer as many hours as you physically can possibly put in. We get off on being so busy. I mean, we love to tell each other how busy we are. It’s good, I mean I’m glad that we’re a productive country and I know that we all benefit from it. But we also really need to teach the younger generation that well, it’s not okay to have a lazy day every day. It’s okay once in a while to take a day for yourself, and you don’t need to be bleeding out your eyeballs and deathly sick to do that.

 

[00:43:18] MB: Yeah. It’s kind of equivalent to like how do you feel when you’re super hungry and hangry versus how you feel after you’ve eaten. You’re like mellowed out, you’re normal, like you can handle things, and difficulties, and task and things that might come at your way that are inevitable and out of your control. You can handle them in a much more level-headed way. That’s kind of like taking a mental health day, is like those next few days to follow, you’re more level-headed, you’re less like strung out.

 

[00:43:43] KC: it goes back to the whole thing that we talked about in Episode 3, that mental health is health. So, you might not be feeling physically sick, but if you’re feeling mentally exhausted and worn out, that’s health, that’s the health day that you — it’s a sick day. It’s it. It’s the same day.

 

[00:43:59] MB: I have a friend who lost a family member recently and she’s a teacher. She’s like, “I have all these sick days left.” She lost somebody very close to her and she’s like, “I keep forgetting that mental health is health. If I need to use my sick days for my mental health, A, I don’t owe it to anyone and have to explain but B, I need to think of it as that. I don’t need to wait until I’m like throwing up to use one of those days.” Sometimes mental health is way more important and utilize those sick days so to speak for that purpose.

 

[00:44:29] KC: Yeah. It’s sad that a lot of employers don’t understand that. I know my kids have had hourly jobs where if they called in sick or took off, they had to bring in a doctor’s note. How do you do that when you’re just mentally burnt out and you’re unable to perform your job duties because you need time off. My older daughter, Samantha, she works a pretty intense schedule and is in her master’s program. There are days when its finals and she have work, and she literally won’t sleep. She’s barely eating. It’s so bad for your mental health and it’s so bad for your productivity. She’s not showing up as a great employee and she’s not bringing her best to her finals. This is just something that we’ve all normalized, that [inaudible 00:45:17] you’re not going to sleep.

 

[00:45:19] MB: Especially in those age, in that year, where you’re in those years when you’re in school and you’re also working to try and achieve what you want to do. It’s almost like, it’s expected to be completely burnt out to make it. It’s so wrong.

 

[00:45:32] KC: Yeah. it’s like a test of your stamina or whatever, but it’s not fair and it’s not fair. She’s thankfully young, and strong, and has the ability to power through it. But for someone who has additional challenges, I can only imagine how unfair that expectation is. Because not everybody has the same capability level or health level. She goes to Savannah College of Art and Design and they call it SCAD. The kids joke that it actually stands for Sleep Comes After Death. They don’t sleep.

 

[00:46:07] MB: Because everyone is overworked, right?

 

[00:46:08] KC: They have these crazy projects and this heavy workload. I know it’s meant to prepare them for a very demanding career path that most of them take, but it’s also not taking into account that all students are different. They might have different learning abilities, there are different health issues, there are different mental health issues. This really be detrimental and it’s not a fair comparison from one to another.

 

[00:46:33] MB: Not at all.

 

[00:46:34] KC: Yeah. I have definite concerns about it. But thankfully, she’ll be done by next fall. This is another thing that is a totally off topic from this, but I have to say this. The whole concept of building your resume while you’re in college and being able to graduate with work history is so valuable, and important and employers expect it, but it’s also incredibly hard to achieve. Some people have to work while they’re in college because they have to naturally and some kids have the privilege of not needing to. If you are privileged to the point where you don’t need to work while you’re in college, and you have family resources to help you make it through that time period, and maybe even line up jobs for you when you graduate so you’re not that worried about your resume. It’s just not a comparison to someone who’s really struggling and has to work so many shifts to be able to pay their rent, and food, and tuition and all that. It’s just another way that the privileged the division and the education system put so much pressure on certain students and it’s not fair.

 

[00:47:47] MB: Yeah. It’s a lot to take in. It’s like, you just want to do what you want to do when you grow up. It’s like, why do we have to just like — well, if you make it and if you survive, and if you live through it, it’s like crazy. People that want to become doctors, lawyers, like all this stuff. Then you have to like, you said, get experience as you’re doing it. It’s like, “Cool! I guess I’ll sleep, and eat and see my family in like eight years.”

 

[00:48:12] KC: Exactly.

 

[00:48:14] MB: I also feel like if you are one of those people like your daughter where they have such a high pressured, like it’s just a crazy life that applying these things that we’re talking about, waking up on the right side of the bed will help you for the inevitable, which is like this crazy work hours. Like if you want to become any of these things that are requiring you to put in a lot of hours, and study time and do all this stuff. Making sure that you’re taking care of you in the times that you have is very important. It’s like not allowing those times to go unwasted.

 

[00:48:45] KC: Right. All the steps that we went through today are especially helpful if taking mental health days is not an option for you and you have a job where flexibility step away and you need to be there every day, 9:00 to 5:00 or even more than that and have other responsibilities on top of that. You’re even more likely to have days where you wake up on the wrong side of the bed and no one would blame you. I mean, it’s the workload that you’re —

 

[00:49:10] MB: If you’re out control, the more in control of it you have to try and be.

 

[00:49:15] KC: If you take these tips that we’ve given you and put these tools in your toolbox of a way to kind of reset your mind on those days, hopefully they’re beneficial to you and you’re able to kind of reframe your mindset and have a better day. But I think if anybody is working at that space, you can expect to have some days where you’re not 100%.

 

[00:49:35] MB: Things are inevitable. It’s like you can’t handle what the kids are going to do, what the job situation is going to be, what your school schedule is going to be, your work schedule, any of that. But there are things that if you really take time, and you do have a lot of time to control those moments, whether it’s just a couple of minutes in a day to just — instead of grabbing your phone, grab a pen and paper and write on some gratitude and just do that. Like just try one or just wake up and go for a little walk down to get like check the mailbox or whatever. Just try one and see if that just kind of like will change the course of your bad day or keep you from having a bad day all together.

 

[00:50:11] KC: Yeah. I mean, like we talked about last episode. There’s a lot of caregivers who are in our demographic and caregivers really can’t take a mental health day. They get no time off. They can’t step aside. Finding ways to reframe your mindset on days that are having a bad day, because care giving takes so much out of you, whether it’s children, or the elderly or people who are disabled, whatever. You’re caregiving needs and requirements are — you don’t get time off from that, and you can’t just call in sick.

 

Having that ways to change your mindset even if you take your cup of coffee like you said and sit outside in nature and just take a few minutes to remind yourself that there are a lot of things you are grateful for can help. If you have five or ten minutes a day that you can try to do meditation, there’s a few things that we cover that you can do, that hopefully can help recharge your batteries. If not that day, then start the next day off with a better mindset. Right.

 

[00:51:06] MB: Yeah. I mean, it’s also just altering your decisions. Like you could already be sitting and drinking your coffee, whether you’re scrolling your phone and filling your mind with that [inaudible 00:51:13], watching the humming birds outside and looking at the sun. They’re like totally the same, and they take the same amount of time but they’re applied completely differently and will change how your day goes.

 

[00:51:24] KC: Absolutely.

 

[00:51:25] MB: Yeah. Well, good. I feel like today was good because for the fact that we now know that you are doing meditation for the next —

 

[00:51:33] KC: I just admit it to all of our listeners, so I have to now. I have this accountability —

 

[00:51:37] MB: Maybe just write an article about it. It’s all because we want you to do it. We secretly all just are rooting for you to do this because —

 

[00:51:43] KC: Well, I’m going to tell everybody how it affected my life, and my mental health and what I got out of it. So I will definitely make an article about it. But I’m glad the topic today was still really important but not as heavy as some of the ones that we’ve covered lately. So I think we needed a little bit of a lighter topic.

 

[00:51:59] MB: I’m all about the lighter topic, it’s just — these are easier to discuss for a longer period of time. But certainly, the more lighter that the — the happier I would be listening to it. But sometimes, you just need those like real talks about stuff.

 

[00:52:17] KC: Some of the topics that we’ve covered in the last few weeks, hopefully helps some people and they needed to hear about it, and then they’re not alone, that we’re all kind going through the same stuff. Hopefully, they’re beneficial. I know they resonated with some of our followers, because I could see the numbers. But it is nice to have a little bit lighter topic this week, and we do appreciate you guys all listening.

 

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